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Breaking - man shot at Occupy Oakland

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[Update. Occupiers say shooting was unrelated to occupation. Appears that two people were injured - the shooting victim (who was shot in the head and has now died) and a TV cameraman who was attacked and suffered a concussion after the shooting (when protesters tried to prevent filming).]

Circumstances still unclear. TV reporter filming Occupy Oakland was attacked. At least 6 shots fired. Shooting occurred in square just yards from the encampment. Attackers were young men (initial reports say 4-12 in number) who scattered after shooting. Shooting started after a fight that had been broken up. Rescusitation in progress. Not yet known if this involved people connected to the occupation versus neighborhood violence.

See twitter feed from Oakland Trib reporter Scott Johnson.

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"A fatal shooting near the Occupy Oakland encampment did not appear to be related to campers at the protest site, police said Thursday evening.

Officers responded to reports of multiple shots fired near 14th Street and Broadway on the fringe of the encampment about 4:30 p.m. and found one person sprawled on the ground, the Oakland Police Department said.

Sgt. Christopher Bolton told The Times that the shooting appeared to be connected to the encampment only “in proximity” and did not appear to involve Occupy Oakland protesters."

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SF Chronicle: "Nathan Stalnaker, 29, of Oakland said he had seen several young men surrounding the victim on the ground. They were kicking and punching the man, who was trying to shield his face from the blows, Stalnaker said. A number of people from the camp came over and tried to break it up, but Stalnaker said one of the assailants then pulled out a gun."

"Barucha Peller, who is part of the Occupy Oakland encampment, said some of the first people to help the victim were medics from the camp. She said the shooting happened next to the camp, not in it. 'The only direct Occupy Oakland involvement was in order to provide emergency first-aid services,' she said....

Several city officials showed up at the scene after the shooting, including Police Chief Howard Jordan and City Council President Larry Reid, who was among council members who held a news conference Wednesday saying the encampment must go. After learning that Occupy Oakland medics had helped the person who was shot tonight, Reid said, 'I appreciate their efforts to help save the life of the victim in this situation.'

Early this afternoon, Mayor Jean Quan said that a plan to remove the encampment 'has to be done thoughtfully' and 'has to take time.' Quan said she wants to 'continue dialogue' with protesters who have been in Frank Ogaza Plaza for a month before the city takes any action....

Chief Jordan told reporters earlier Thursday that, 'I'm not at liberty to announce if and when we'll take any action' to remove protesters from the plaza....

Thurday evening, the lights were still out and a number of protesters at the crime scene were angrily yelling, 'Turn the lights on,' saying that the darkness leads to more crime."

Lone candle was placed in the plaza after shooting.

Silent vigil being held in plaza for shooting victim.

susie_c Susie Cagle
#occupyoakland yells down HoJo press spot at 14 and Broadway, "turn the lights on!!"
[Lights and water for the plaza had been turned off recently, apparently to make life harder at OO. Occupiers complained yesterday that lack of lights exacerbated safety issues in the plaza.]
SF Chronicle:"'They're going to come back on,' Jordan said. 'We need to have better lighting there.'"

At least two news photographers were reportedly injured by some OO participants in attempts to prevent filming immediately after the shooting, though the injuries were apparently not severe. One, Channel 7 cameraman Randy Davis, suffered a minor concussion; other OO participants came to his rescue.

Tweets from KCBS Radio Political Reporter - Oakland resident Doug Sovern:
SovernNation Doug Sovern
ABC7 cameraman Randy Davis was feeding live when shooting happened near #OccupyOakland, was attacked & beaten by witnesses. He's okay

SovernNation Doug Sovern
Randy has a minor concussion, blood on forehead and knot on back of head. Other #OccupyOakland campers came to his rescue. Heard 6 shots

SovernNation Doug Sovern
No statement yet or appearance by @JeanQuan at #OccupyOakland, where protesters are sure shooting will lead to police raid on camp

SovernNation Doug Sovern
Can't imagine police will raid #OccupyOakland w/ tensions so high after shooting. Cops will come when least expected & population at minimum

SFWeekly: "The Most Insensitive Tweets in the Aftermath of the Occupy Oakland Shooting,"

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Since the shooting, Quan has accelerated in trying to remove the OO encampment:

Thursday night Tweets:

@eric_rasmussen Mayor @jeanquan asking #occupyoakland campers to voluntarily leave tonight

SovernNation Doug Sovern
Oakland Mayor Quan shows up, says #OccupyOakland camp must go, says shooting near protest shows "it is time for camp to end"

SovernNation Doug Sovern
Mayor @JeanQuan says #OccupyOakland campers should leave tonight, voluntarily. City staff handing out vouchers for shelters

_allisonc allisonc
That'll do it MT @shoeshine: @jeanquan: "I am calling on campers to leave voluntarily. We have sent additional outreach workers tonight"

matthai matthai kuruvila
Quan said wants #OccupyOakland campers to voluntarily leave. If not, she says she/jordan/santana have a plan for it to end peacefully. #oo
[Yeah...right...a "peaceful" eviction]

SovernNation Doug Sovern
Mayor @JeanQuan says she's working on plan w/chief to clear out #OccupyOakland camp again but won't give timeline as to when it'll happen

Quan released statement:
"Tonight’s incident underscores the reason why the encampment must end. The risks are too great....I call on the community to be united in the need for the camp to close. I am calling on campers to leave voluntarily."
Quan's full statement included here.


Earlier Thursday, prior to the shooting, Oakland Chamber of Commerce released results of a poll of 1000 Oakland residents:
susie_c Susie Cagle
Chamber survey results: 76% agree with #ows goals but 49% disapprove of #OccupyOakland and only 33% agree w camping in plaza

[Though it's easy to dismiss a poll commissioned by Chamber of Commerce, and it's reasonable to expect that the methodology chosen upped the negatives, this does seem to reflect the shift, from largely positive sentiment to negative, that I've seen in online postings/comments from Oaklanders since events of Nov 3].

Also, in the last few days, a bay-area media narrative had begun about crime and safety in the OO encampment (e.g. see here). The shooting played perfectly into that narrative.

In that context, I'll include tweets made after the shooting by GonzOakland. GonzOakland has served as a timely useful source of OO news, and early on appeared a supporter of OO, but in the last several days has gone increasingly negative (and today virulently so).

@occupyoakland The shooting happened before the sun went down. What do lights have to do with anything?
[He's referring here to statements by occupiers, in response to the shooting, that safety was being compromised by loss of power and light in the plaza.]

@OccupiedOakTrib I'm saying for weeks, cops were repelled from the area, thugs were attracted to the east side of the plaza.

@maigesheng for weeks, the east side of the camp has attracted people mostly interested in a lawless place to hang out.

@OccupiedOakTrib The atmosphere created there was explosive. I know, however, that the immediate response from the camp was appropriate.

@maigesheng and I'm saying again: the east side of the camp has been growing more and sketchy since #occupyoakland kicked out the cops.

The test now is if #occupyoakland can come together and make changes to their public safety ideology. Allow policing or this is over.

[jaspergregory Jasper Gregory
@GonzOakland it's way too late to invite policing into #OccupyOakland now. The Anarchists' Hubris was to exclude all dialog with the city]

@jaspergregory EXACTLY. This is the one city in America that would have willingly helped an occupation succeed.

@_allisonc Wait. Is that confirmed? No mutual aid? Can Gov. Brown intervene to provide aid?
[OPD may have difficulty in recruiting assistance from other PDs for an OO eviction - see below.]

[mtreagan Matt
@dto510 The area around FOP is much sketchier than the rest of DTO, in addition to having little to offer.]

[mtreagan Matt
@GonzOakland @matthai Five murders within 2-3 blocks in 2007-2009:…]

So GonzOakland is arguing that the encampment, and lack of adequate security there, has made the area unsafe, and these circumstances led to the shooting. Others (e.g. mtreagan) are arguing back that this overlooks the inherent, long-standing safety issues in this area.

Additional Oakland voices on Twitter making the same point as mtreagan:

scott_c_johnson Scott Johnson
RT “@mattoyeah: Are downtown Oakland homicides common? Maps: 2008 2009 2010”

@John_A_Russo i witnessed two stabbings at frank ogawa in 2002. had office in cathedral bldg. no response from OPD or ur office.

Based in forum comments/tweets from OO participants during the past week, it did appear that safety problems had been increasing in the camp. E.g. Wednesday night tweets by Cagle:

susie_c Susie Cagle
#occupyoakland Safer spaces proclaims it's rebirth. OG plaza camp really needs them.

susie_c Susie Cagle
#occupyoakland But also I've been sexually harassed twice now and only been here 20 minutes.

However, blaming the shooting on circumstances created by the camp (and its decision to ban police) is too facile. As noted above, Oakland has the third highest crime rate among U.S. cities and homocides do occur in the general vicinity of Frank Ogawa plaza. Given that hundreds of people representing a cross-section of Oakland live at OO (and OO sought to provide food and shelter for the destitute), crimes will occur here that would otherwise still have occured, but elsewhere in the city. Though one can't entirely exclude certain aspects of OO as potential contributing factors, the claim that OO was responsible for the shooting ignores the realities of Oakland.

Concluding note on this general topic:
alyssa011968 Alyssa
#OccupyOakland "Never Been So Many Reporters At a Black Youth's Murder in the History of Oakland."…


Initially, OO members stated that neither the victim nor the assailants were OO particpants. It now appears that the victim was an OO supporter and was staying at OO (though his actual involvement in OO was most likely minimal).

thomas_peele Thomas Peele
#oo cousin of shooting victim says they shared a tent in camp city

thomas_peele Thomas Peele
#oo she says this at makeshift memorial. It contradicts protesters claims he had nothing to do with occupy camp

marymad mary mad
@Catherina_Guate @oakfosho goes to same gym. @reginaldjames worked kitchen & spoke to cousin. @angelawoodall reported spent nights in tents.

ReginaldJames Reginald James
@marymad @lisarein yeah, Alex's cousin said he camped out and they shared a tent. another guy said he worked in kitchen same nights as me

OakFoSho Spencer: For Hire
@marymad I heard form security team member that the victim, Alex, had stayed in a tent a few nights. Beyond that IDK.


There also appears to be increased suspicion/hostility between some OO members and journalists.

occupyoakland Occupy Oakland
Tonight, Kristen Sze of Channel 7 ABC news kicked over a bunch of vigil candles and then assaulted a person lighting them. Just Sayin. #OO
[As noted above, the cameraman for Channel 7 ABC was assaulted earlier in the day while filming after the shooting.]

OakFoSho Spencer: For Hire
Someone was just murdered. Tensions were high. RT @dangainor @OakFoSho Like #OO is so worried about safety of journos.


It also appears that OPD may have difficulty in obtaining assistance from neighboring PDs for an eviction.

The Bay Citizen newspaper: "Oakland Police May Be on Their Own
As police prepare to evict Occupy encampment, many outside agencies say they don't want to help

From article:
"Oakland police have begun to plan another eviction operation, but it appears that this time, they may not be able to rely on other law enforcement agencies. Quan's indecisiveness has frustrated many agencies that provided mutual aid during the eviction and two subsequent demonstrations. Some of the agencies say they cannot afford to send more police to Oakland, when their own departments are understaffed....

The Sheriff’s Department told Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan Wednesday they will charge $1,000 per deputy for a 12-hour shift. Alameda County Sheriff Greg Ahern said his deputies would only come in for free if the situation prompted an emergency. 'After we assisted Oakland in removing the occupiers who were unlawfully camping in Frank Ogawa Plaza, the government officials allowed them back into the plaza and allowed them to resume camping,' said Ahern. 'They're trying to allow people the right to free speech and it's a very difficult line that we're dealing with here. But once they allow it, then they have to understand . . . it’s no longer an emergency.'....

'No one wants to come back," said one police supervisor. "They sustained injuries, they spent all this money on overtime. We used them for nothing.'...

Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen suffered a fractured skull during the clashes. The incident, which is still under investigation, drew worldwide scrutiny of the Oakland Police Department's tactics. That has made other departments think twice about sending police to Oakland. 'We’re not authorizing people to do that kind of stuff. Not in our name,' said Maxwell Anderson, a Berkeley City Council member, during a Tuesday night City Council meeting about the mutual aid agreement.

While Santana, the Oakland city administrator, says the state will reimburse outside agencies for their expenses, state officials say Oakland has not taken the appropriate steps to ensure that. 'There have been very few conversations, if any, with the city,' said Jordan Scott, a spokesman for the California Emergency Management Agency. In order to be considered for reimbursement from the state, Scott explained, the city must first declare a local emergency, then petition the governor to declare a state of emergency. 'They would then be eligible for a certain level of reimbursement,' Scott said. 'But at this point, none of that has come through. We’re not going to get involved.'"


One unfortunate point - the shooting today swamped out a story that otherwise might have received some significant coverage:

Think Progress
Police officer goes undercover at Occupy Oakland, turns into a supporter #ows #icymi

Quote from interview:
SHAVIES: I’m a police officer. I’m part of the 99 percent. [...] In the ’60s when people would protest, would gather in order to bring about change, right? Those protests were nonviolent they were peaceful assemblies. They were broken up with dogs, hoses, sticks. [...] It looks like there was a square, and police shot tear gas. That could be the photograph or the video for our generation. That’s our Birmingham. So, twenty years from now this movement could be the turning point, the tipping point, right. It’s about time your generation stood up for something. It’s about time young people are in the streets. [...] Ya’ll don’t need to throw gas canisters into a group of people occupying an intersection.

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OPD has provided OO with eviction notices. It appears that a raid will occur once OPD obtains sufficient "mutual aid" commitments from neighboring PDs.

I'd hoped that yesterday's tragedy would cause everyone to pause, take a breath, and gain some perspective. Though I recognized that this was almost certainly a foolish hope.

Here's the eviction notice.

RT @KTVU: Police going tent to tent handing out eviction notices at #occupyoakland

RT @tyska: OPD acting Sgt. gives out police statement to campers at #occupyoakland saying they will be subject to arrest if they don't eave

MT @SovernNation Reax to eviction notices from police at tonight's General Assembly RT @northoaklandnow Crowd yells 'read it & burn it' #oo

Apparently, Quan's husband Floyd Huen and the Block by Block Organizing Network (BBBON) had been trying to work on a nonviolent way to "resolve" the situation - getting OO to move to another site in Oakland (perhaps a vacant building). See story here.

I suppose that's why Quan was saying early Thursday that any resolution "has to be done thoughtfully" and "has to take time" (i.e. trying to buy time for dialogue between BBBON and OO). However, Quan appears to have now OKed a police eviction given the political pressures post-shooting.

Story from SF Chronicle:
"The first move: The notice that police handed out to Occupiers on Friday afternoon, telling them all tents, cooking utensils and the like must go and that anyone sleeping in the plaza overnight 'will be subject to arrest.'

The order came after an afternoon meeting that included Quan, interim Police Chief Howard Jordan, City Administrator Deanna Santana and City Council President Larry Reid.

According to sources, Quan went into the meeting asking for more time for negotiations with Occupy Oakland, suggesting that its camp be transplanted to nearby Jefferson Park while an unidentified benefactor tries to line up an empty building for the movement.

Time, however, is not something that other officials and public safety workers believe the city can spare. And when the meeting ended, Quan agreed to a police sweep if and when Jordan finds one necessary.

'As soon as we can get the mutual aid set up, we are going to go,' said one official, who like others we talked to spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the eviction planning....

'The bottom line is that Oakland wants the camp gone; the polls show that,' Quan's husband, Floyd Huen, wrote to her supporters in an e-mail Thursday. 'Also, concretely and practically, the council is unanimous in wanting that, too. So even if the mayor wanted to do so (keep the camp in place), she cannot because she does not set policy for the city,' Huen wrote. 'The council does.'"

Additional stories about Friday's events from bay-area papers here and here.

OPD is now saying that they believe that the victim was actually not associated with the encampment, but that they're seeking a shooting suspect who was.

From the Oakland Tribune article:
"7:45 p.m. Shooting suspect had been living in camp, police say. One of the men being sought in connection with Thursday's shooting death near Frank Ogawa Plaza was a frequent resident of the camp, Oakland police said in a newly issued news release."
Full police statment is in the article.

SF Chronical:
"Oakland police said they did not believe the shooting victim lived among the 180 tents in Frank Ogawa Plaza, regardless of claims from a camp resident who said the man was her cousin and had slept in her tent."
[I'll note that initially, it appeared that none of the OO participants recognized him. And some of the later comments by occupiers were of the form "someone told me he worked in the kitchen the same nights as me". It's not currently clear what the reality is here.]

One of the more intelligent articles about Thursday's events by an Oakland reporter can be found here.

"Occupy Oakland: Murder Brings Everyday Desperation to Light" - excerpt:

As I entered the plaza from Telegraph Avenue, a stampede of young teens ran past me screaming that someone had been shot, “Get away! Somebody’s been shot!” On the plaza, I saw tonight’s victim, a young black man, lying prone at the foot of a lamp post, his dreadlocks splayed on the pavement. His head rested in a pool of blood. His skinny, limp body was surrounded by a confused and increasingly agitated crowd. I now know from subsequent news reports that the young man was twenty-two-year-old Alex, who had slept the past few nights at the encampment. As I saw him tonight, he was tiny and fragile. Broken in his jeans and t-shirt. The plaza was eerily quiet, save for a lone woman crying in the corner.

I screamed for someone to call 9-1-1, but was unable to get close to the injured man. At this point, there were still no visible police or medics on the scene. A few people formed a blockade around Alex and demanded that no one take photos. I was among many that called 9-1-1 myself, demanding that an ambulance come immediately. After hanging up, I noticed several people gathered around Alex attempting to stop the bleeding and to perform CPR.

Despite the warnings, I took out my phone to video the event. Suddenly, three men surrounded me, shoved and punched me to the ground. One of the men grabbed my phone and threw it down on the paving stones. I would describe him as being 5’8”, dark-skinned man with short hair. After shoving me, he turned to KGO-TV cameraman Randy Davis, joining a group of twenty others attacking him and forcing him over the railing of the 14th Street BART station. In the melee, my driver’s license and credit card were lost.

As I stood up shaken, a protester approached me and returned my phone, along with words of apology. A later interview with an Occupy camper revealed that the victim had only recently joined the encampment. He’d argued with another in the food tent. The assailant was rumored to have untreated mental illness. After their minor argument — a regular occurrence that organizers say they usually manage with conflict resolution — the assailant apparently called his cousin and three others from the neighborhood to his aid and they came ready to kill. And they killed Alex.

In this video shot late last night, Navy Veteran Shake Anderson reacts to the murder. He says, '[the murder] happened on the doorstep of a revolution that’s affecting everyone. So therefore the Occupation is bringing light to everyday issues."

When asked if the shooting was the responsibility of Occupy Oakland movement, I have to say no. Yes, the men involved were eating at the camp – and the victim was sleeping there too, but these individuals were not the advocates for political change and Wall Street accountability demanded by the Occupy Wall Street movement. They came to find food and shelter. And they brought everyday, inner-city desperation and violence to center stage.

This isn’t the first murder victim I witnessed. Back in 2006, a manager at a local Thai restaurant near my home was gunned down and was witness, along with the victim’s coworkers, as he was taken away. One can only hope that our elected officials are able to refrain from further political opportunism and grandstanding to focus on the tragedy of Alex’s short life. This murder, occurring mere steps from City Hall, was notable only because it happened downtown, far away from the poorest, darkest and most desperate corners of the city.

All city officials must take account and responsibility, including City Administrator Deborah Santana, Police Chief Harold Jordan, and the City Council. Because there were no streetlights near the Plaza due to a “short out” on November 9, many occupiers reported an increase in drug dealing and crime after sundown. Because of the heavy-handed violence meted out by police, the tension increased. And no official can claim that violence began with Occupy Oakland. The problem is endemic.

The irony is that the media may give more attention to this murder than the hundred others. Will Alex’s death be dismissed as “just another black youth in a gang-related incident?” We’d learn more by asking what pulled him to the Occupy Oakland encampment. We’d become a better community if we asked how can we break the cycle that leads a man to call his friends into a minor scuffle ready to kill.

The young man I watched die was someone’s child. He was a child of Oakland. And he was part of the 99%. As we learn more about the details of the shooting, perhaps some meaning, some significance will emerge. In the meantime, we have more questions than answers. And another black youth lies dead, occupying an Oakland morgue like so many before him.


In the media and among politicians, evictions are increasingly being justified on "safety" grounds. Although I disagree with Boots Riley on many things, I agree with him that these rationalizations are (in general) lacking in logic. The logical links just aren't there. Would someone explain to me why the suicide of an occupier in Burlington VT meant that the occupation was unsafe and had to be removed? (e.g. see here and here). I mean - where's the logic? For the most part it seems to be - someone died in/near an encampment - let's all be afraid - dirty, messy, scary - let's remove it and return to prim and proper petite bourgeoisie lives.


On Friday, veterans marched in Oakland to protest police brutality.
Some video here.

nsidebayarea insidebayarea
RT @northoaklandnow: Vet to police in front of headquarters: we respect you. We hope that respect is returned too #oo


Here are some Friday tweets from GonzoOakland, in part complaining about lack of transparency in OO.

[HoodStock510 Hood Stock
Oh, awesome, learn how to break out of zip ties…]

[SusannahFields Susannah Fields
@HoodStock510 @GonzOakland Handy video. But if you do it, it's considered resisting arrest.]

GonzOakland GonzOakland
@SusannahFields @HoodStock510 once you get to jail, it's usually OK. I spent 4 hours in flexcuffs last week, wish I'd known.

GonzOakland GonzOakland
@415raechill I'm not a critic of #OWS . I'm a critic of the internal failures of #occupyoakland . Big difference.

GonzOakland GonzOakland
@hyphy_republic My fundamental point: transparency rules at #occupyoakland should be better than the ones in City Hall. Right now they arent

GonzOakland GonzOakland
When I ask questions about transparency at #occupyoakland, I get anger, and answers that remind me of the iraqi information minister.

GonzOakland GonzOakland
Seriously, #occupyoakland has jumped the shark. Hijacked by militants, headed off a cliff. A liability to the national #OWS movement. Sad.


Here's an article talking about why attempting a forcible eviction in Oakland is such a stupid idea - it comes down to one word - resolve.
The belief among police and politicians that coercive force can be used to make everything to their liking fails to recognize the resolve of occupiers (and the realities that created such resolve).

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-- much more so than the news reports about it.

The link is here.

There's a great deal more here.

Although it may be difficult for many to see and appreciate, these exchanges, combined with the actions (and inactions) of the Oakland civic authorities, indicate that Jean Quan and her husband, and many of the people they are involved with in the "progressive" community actually do have something of a conscience, and they are actively trying to find a peaceful and positive resolution to the problem of the Occupation. At least as they see it.

And from their actions and statements, it is clear that the majority of the City Council and the Chamber of Commerce they serve see these efforts as a threat to their authority over the fate of the Occupation and the future of Oakland.

Quan may not be the brightest bulb on the string, but more and more, I am seeing her as almost as much of a victim of the powerful forces at work as any of the Occupiers.

The wild card is Howard Jordan, Interim Police Chief.

Well, him and the City Administrator.

On the other hand, another violent eviction from Frank Ogawa/Oscar Grant Plaza will certainly steel the resolve of Occupiers everywhere.

Same with Berkeley -- where the administration and university police have redefined classic nonviolent resistance tactics as "not non-violent."

We are truly through the looking glass.

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Thanks for the BBBON links.

Tend to agree with you on Quan. She can engage in some political doublespeak, but hasn't been driving the OPD actions. She does seem rather weak/ineffectual - too readily influenced to go in whichever direction she's pushed.
(As an aside, Quan was even investigated by OPD last year for linking arms in a political demonstration - OPD wanted charges brought against her for interfering with the movement of police.)

Deanna Santana (City Administrator) is a major part of the problem. She's essentially former OPD (used to work as an analyst in the OPD) and Santana oversees Jordan (Quan doesn't even have the authority to fire him). Santana was the one who decided to carry out the first police raid. After Santana scheduled the raid and put out the call for "mutual aid", took her a couple of days to get Quan on board.

When Quan hired Santana earlier this year, Quan kept talking about how Santana was a graduate of the Berkeley ethnic studies program (when Quan was a student, she was one of the activists pushing for establishment of that program and is very emotionally invested in it) - so Quan said (at the presser announcing Santana's hiring), she thought of Santana as a younger version of herself. I suspect Quan overidentified with her and was too influenced by that.

At that same press conference, Santana was talking about how she isn't afraid of a fight. One of her favored words is "discipline". You get her mentality. Then there was that public statement (to Quan) that Jordan released - complaining that Quan wasn't supporting OPD enough. There seems to be a lot of talk of a split between Santana + Jordan vs Quan.

Regarding the efforts by Floyd Huen (Quan's husband) and BBBON regarding OO:

@garonsen The Mayor's inner circle actually has a number of folks who're urked at Floyd for "going rogue" and doing this on his own.

@garonsen I think Floyd's gone rogue, insiders resent it, the Mayor is weakened, and the Council, Jordan and Santana are calling the shots.

As that KCBS story notes - Huen marched in the port closure.
With the shooting - the timing was unfortunate (in effectively eliminating the time window for dialogue). BBBON-OO dialogue might have led to something productive.

At OO tonight, Susie Cagle tweets:
#occupyoakland I can't believe all the anger at Quan here still. She doesn't matter, guys!

Hmmm - just clicked again on the BBBON Google Groups linke - seems to now have been made private.
In looking through those BBBON postings earlier today, one thing that struck me - many of those posting, though well-intentioned, seem to lack experience/understanding in dealing with something like OO. Although certain contributors do seem to have a clue. I guess many of them have little or no experience of actual prior involvement with protests like this (the dynamics, norms, what kind of things would work in dialogue with OO participants, how to engage interpersonally here, etc.). That surprizes me slightly, but I guess this might be typical of your average vanilla liberal/progressives. Some of this seems obvious to me - but I guess it wouldn't necessarily be to those without prior involvement in such protests/situations.

Addendum: This is kind of interesting (its framed by the author's POV and he/she misspells Huen's name, but info on a bit of Quan and Huen's past I wasn't entirely aware of).