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Biden: criminal charges against Bush are on the table

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Biden Rips Bush Administration

Looking to the future but with one eye on the past, Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

More like this please.

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Submitted by lambert on

Where have they been since 2006?

If it were going to happen, it would already have happened.

In any case, after Obama voted to give the telcos retroactive immunity, the rule of law is, to put matters optimistically, on its death bed.

What a laugh.

NOTE Sorry to be cranky, DCB.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by amberglow on

and it directly conflicts with all of Obama's never-ending bs about "bitter, partisan fights of the past", too.

Biden was a failure in Justice and allowed every single GOP-supported Supremes candidate thru to the floor when he didn't have to at all (Miers was killed by the GOP, not Dems). And he never used his committee to punish admitted Administration criminals once.

Believing a word he says on this is nonsense.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Although I do like to hear it. Just as I don't particularly care if the GOP is smacking down sexism for cynical reasons, I don't care if this is for cynical reasons. Let more Democrats speak like this, it may lead to pressure from voters to actually do what they claim they're going to do.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

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Submitted by amberglow on

like all the hearings that proved criminal activity that have been held since?

like the admitted criminal activity--spying on us, trashing the evidence, hiring on GOP lines, using all Depts and Agencies to push GOP candidates, etc-- they've all said they've done?

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

we all agree that most of the national level dems are 'weak' when it comes to defending the Constitution; they have a track record that proves no less. we also agree that most of them are slaves to the Village mythology and deeply afraid of pissing off their "friends" in the SCLM. but what if, in this case, that's what's drivng such talk.

don't get me wrong. words don't impress me; convictions do. we'll see if we get there, and like LB, i'm highly doubtful that we will. but...

there's a real, funny, major feeding frenzy going on out there, not just in the blogosphere but all over the place. i've read rumors of a rove/fundie split, mcSame is clearly not in control of his campaign, flailing and failing are par for the course right now for almost every rethug camp. so, if you're a weak willed, media worshipping, hypocritical dem looking to take advantage of all that, what is the best choice?

red meat for the base, and more than the base. if i were advising Biden or Obama right now, this is what i'd say: "Americans are very angry, and looking for a scapegoat. what better object for your attention than washed up, has-been, also-ran republicans with dirty fingers in every crony and unConstitutional pot? they're easy, amazingly easy targets. want to deflect some hatred and blame for the coming failures of your own administration, as you fail to reduce energy costs and find yourselfs "having" to slash social programs? well, here's your target: bush era republicans."

all they have to do is construct a (mostly true) narrative of, "if you're suffering, these republicans (fingers pointed like at a Salem witch trial) ARE TO BLAME!!1!"

people would eat it up. the Village could learn to love it because it's so obsessed with 'fashion,' and rethugs are about to become "so last year." ratings too could be amped, with juicy, moralizing trial after trial, cmte hearing, investigations, embarrassing testimony. and the best part: dems never have to be held responsible for their own complicity these last six years. here's where "we don't have the votes" actually works. it's all bullshit; most of the Village should, in a just world, be hung up with their feet over a slow fire, but that's not going to happen.

massive blaming of rethugs, to distract/spice up/shore up an Obama admin? i'm all for that. go for it, Hairplug. I'm here to help.

Submitted by lambert on

... that its leaders abandon the politics of partisan division."

The preamable to Obama's platform, and so far as I can tell, it's what Obama genuinely believes.

It's just high road, low road stuff -- with Republicans being help accountable being the low road, right?

When Obama says it, not Biden, I'll consider believing it. And then only when Pelosi and Reid do something concrete at the same time. Something more than a sternly worded letter. Let them figure out the optics.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by lambert on

They do what they do because that is their vision what's best for the country (Exhibit A is FISA which, you will remember, we thought we had won).

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by cg.eye on

If only they stick to it, and do things now that suggest they really mean it, will I stop being on the fence for voting for them.

If they really took the idea of Justice seriously, it would mean they were capable of learning.

(I heard about this on Malloy last night, and could find not one article about what Biden promised until now. Wonder if it's on blackout?)

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Submitted by DCblogger on

I am not quite as cynical, but a truth & reconciliation commission would come in mighty handy on a variety of levels. Obama is not above being vindictive, and war crimes trials would provide cover for a great deal of payback.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

and capable of *doing* something NOW?

But talk is important. It's what we need to make us feel good about supporting a cheating Dem. Or supporting a Party that really doesn't deliver.

Lambert is right, its not that they are weak. Its what they really believe. Obama more than most.

Only tyrants rig elections.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

I am not well informed, but my impression that the violence was not political, but the result of the inevitiable destablization that comes from great change and the sky rocketing unemployment.

and no justice would be inaccurate, hundreds of people were sent to jail for their role in the crimes of aparthied, some were given parole in return for the truth.

Submitted by cg.eye on

just wanted to check if that was a right-wing talking point.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

let the Democrats see that talk of war crimes is an applause line and this will take on a life of its own.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

Just saying.

I'll say it again: No candidate who accepts the nomination the way Obama did will gain my trust by talk. I think it speaks to a person's character. And it goes beyond mere caucus cheating. He had the SuperDs in the bag already, but couldn't even allow a legit roll call vote. Why not?

And for all your happy talk of these words, why can't they do something--anything!--now while they are in the Senate with a majority? If they are too scared to do it now, what makes you think they'll do it later?

Only tyrants rig elections.

Submitted by lambert on

The Village won't let them see that, which I suppose makes campaigns still meaningful.

Did it get applause?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi