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Barack Obama, master debater

Remember how, when Hillary stomped Barack "No Mas" Obama in the last debate, the narrative just magically morphed into how bad the ABC moderation was?* And how shocked and upset the Boiz were? Why, they even got up a petition drive! Right from their fainting couches! The whole process didn't even take a full news cycle.....

Well, then, surely Obama and the Boiz would welcome a Lincoln-Douglas debate, because that's mano a mano, one candidate against the other, with no moderator to blame.

In South Bend, Indiana, on Saturday, Clinton urged a debate modeled after the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas in 1858.

They were a series of formal debates throughout Illinois in a campaign for one of two U.S. Senate seats.

"I'm offering Sen. Obama a chance to debate me one-on-one, no moderators. ... Just the two of us going for 90 minutes, asking and answering questions; we'll set whatever rules seem fair," she said.

"I think that it would give the people of Indiana and I assume a few Americans might tune in because nearly 11 million watched the Philadelphia debate. And I think they would love seeing that kind of debate and discussion. Remember, that's what happened during the Lincoln-Douglas debates," she added.

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams sent a letter to Obama campaign manager David Plouffe on Saturday asking for another debate.

What's not to like?

I mean, why would a candidate of Obama's manifest excellence and energy not wlecome the opportunity to finally knock his opponent out? I can't imagine:

In a TV interview to air Sunday, Obama flat-out denied any possibility that he would take part in a debate with Clinton before the next big round of primaries.

Shortly after maintaining that he isn't "ducking" debates with his Democratic rival, the Illinois senator admitted that the two hopefuls are "not going to have debates between now and Indiana."

Voters in Indiana and North Carolina will head to the polls May 6.

Barry's right. He's not "ducking," because he doesn't want to let Hillary get close enough to him to throw a punch. He's backpedaling all over the ring, hoping to take the decision on points.

Not very Presidential, if you ask me. Especially since, as Hillary helpfully points out, millions of people would watch.

What is it that Barry doesn't want people to see?

NOTE * Sure, the moderating was awful, but so fucking what? Both horses had to run the same muddy track, and one of them won going away.

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myiq2xu's picture
Submitted by myiq2xu on

that the clothes have no emperor.

Real Democrats aren't afraid of democracy

48 + 2 = legitimacy

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Submitted by amberglow on

something HE should have proposed, given his incessant whining about the current debates and their structure, etc.

His refusal to debate any more is sad, and wimpy. Why isn't he willing to fight her one-on-one?

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Submitted by Chester on

that Clinton doesn't seem to know how the Lincoln-Douglas debates worked.

One spoke for an hour, then the other for an hour and a half and then the first had a half-hour rejoinder.
It would most likely play to Obama's advantage.

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Submitted by jeqal on

I think it would be slightly revised to get air coverage, and she said "like" and "style", but it is atypical of the type of scrutiny that Hillary gets. Legalistic and unforgiving.

obamakins live in their obamakin haze, sipping on koolaid and sugar

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Submitted by bringiton on

If he thought it would be to his advantage, he'd have accepted; wouldn't he?

At this point, especially after the last "debate", he's decided the last thing he wants is any platform that allows a direct comparison. Cowardly, and it will cost him.

Mark that decision to hide from his opponent as the turning point, the exact moment when Obama lost the trust of the party elders and the nomination.

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Submitted by bringiton on

I hear murmurs. Echos of grumbling in high places. Questions about Obama's committment, his fortitude, his courage and his ability to deal with adversity; his electability. The Obama clique is hearing them too, which is why they're suddenly nervous and acting so skittish. A week ago they thought they had this race in the bag no matter what, delegate count blah blah blah but no, not so fast.

Now they've been told they will still have to work for it against some stiff odds over the next few primaries, they have no real plan for doing that, Obama's afraid to debate and Clinton is going to hammer him with it. We'll see how he handles the pressure but ducking her was not a good move, nor is facing her, so there's a lot of stumbling around over how to handle that little problem. Dean, Pelosi and Reid want to see what he can do under pressure; they already know what Clinton can do. My read is the wheels are starting to come off the Obama campaign and unless he finds his way soon to sounding like a winner, he's in serious trouble no matter what the delegate count.

Stake in the sand - This race is now Clinton's to lose. (Anonymous sources, so take that into account - for what it's worth, I say odds right now are 3-2 for Clinton and if you can get those odds or better, take the bet.) Time to start sorting out what to call her.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Because that has been my suspicion without any private unnamed sources (as evidence, see my comment here - They seem way more worried than the CW says they should be. So, of course, I will gladly accept your unnamed sources because they agree with me. Heh.

The media even briefly started to turn on him a bit after Pennsylvania, although I noticed they're firmly back in his camp this weekend. If he loses Indiana by a decent margin (say 7-10%), I think it might be panic time. Of course, he could end up winning Indiana, which I suspect would be a big boost for him (even if Indiana is a red state we're never going to carry in November, it's not Pennsylvania or Ohio just because it's mostly white).

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Submitted by bringiton on

If there are unexpected blowouts in the primaries, or major gaffes that aren't handled, that will settle it one way or the other regardless of delegate count. The issues for Obama are strategic as well as tone and tenor. Can he handle the pressure? Does he hold steady and strong or does he stumble and appear weak? Right now, he's not doing so well. Clinton in comparison is immune to attack in terms of her ability to stay on message; she just shrugs it off and keeps on trucking.

MSM talking points don't sway my thinking. All the internet has done for those folks is to speed up how fast they learn the chorus; cut-and-paste journalism is all that's left.

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Submitted by Imelda Blahnik on

Nearly 11 million people tuned in to watch the Lincoln-Douglas debate? Who knew? Kewl!

(Sorry, that's what happens when you skim something quickly, and badly).