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A Question To All Corrente Residents:

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A very simple one.

If Senator Barack Obama wins the Democratic nomination, what are your plans for the general election:

1. Vote for Obama (or against McCain)

2. Vote for McCain (or against Obama)

3. Not vote, or vote for someone else?

And, of course, why?

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Submitted by hobson on

Vote for a Republican? I didn't even vote for John Lindsay for mayor of New York.

In many ways, it seemed foolish for a Dem to want to succeed Bush Sr, yet Bill Clinton managed to rack up a relatively impressive presidency considering all the baggage he inherited.

Maybe this time around, a Dem can do as well and avoid impeachment.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

I'll probably vote Green. It's more symbolic for me than anything else, I live in KY, Obama won't win here, and the Democratic party establishment needs to know that what happened this primary season is unacceptable. I figure if enpugh of us die hard Dems don't vote Dem for President, maybe they'll get the point.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by Sarah on

or if they make me use that !$%&@!!$# machine, straight ticket Dem.

We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

First by winning the nomination which he hasn't yet done.

I support Hillary Clinton at this time. And the nature of a total commitment is the difficulty -- impossibility -- if imagining that I can support her competition.

Why aren't Obama Supporters ever asked to play this game?

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

should have been "of imagining"

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Submitted by vastleft on

And then go home and cry over what happened to my party and the leftysphere.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Where I live, with this year' candidates, it'll be a straight ticket. I can understand voting downticket for one of the minor parties, but for the Presidency there is only one way to go and that is the Democrat - whoever they are.

The popular vote is nearly as important as the electoral vote. I want this president to come into office with as strong a mandate as possible, and I want the D/R vote margin to be as overwhelming as possible. I want to put fear in the mind of every Republican looking at re-election in 2010, make them understand that there is a tide sweeping the nation and if they stand in the way they will drown. I want them dispirited, cowed and malleable.

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Submitted by vastleft on

The list of Corrente Senior Fellows appears in the top-right of this page, lest anyone be tempted to misconstrue "Corrente residents."

And, of course, among the Senior Fellows there is not one-size-fits-all opinion.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

If the either Obama or McCain are elected, a strong Dem presence in Congress is going to be the only thing that saves us.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by Shane-O on

(meta for a second here)

I'm glad you noticed the difference in my wording this time! ::nod:: See... even I can learn.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

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Submitted by Davidson on

However, I will not vote for Obama. His words and actions show he cannot be trusted on core Democratic principles; instead he will most likely appease the right on any issue they choose to fight him on. And the man is simply not qualified to be president--at all. Especially now. He would be an absolute disaster as president: no qualifications + messiah complex + right wing noise machine = lamb to slaughter. At least with McCain, the left would be on the same page; with Obama, we'd be divided and conquered.

The GE will be a landslide loss, if he's the nominee, so my vote won't make a whit of difference. Hint: when MA becomes a battleground after Bush/Cheney, it's all too clear Obama has no legitimate chance to avoid humiliation. Oh, and what's he going to run on, as a "Democrat?" The Clinton years? Ha!

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Submitted by jeqal on

1) Because Obama's economic record has been consistently right of both McCain and Clinton
and because
2)Obama's military strategy has been consistently left of McCain and Clinton
I'm a moderate, and tend to be slightly left on one and slightly right on two.

Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other,they'd be Republicans -- Will Rogers

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Submitted by kensdad on

that i'll vote for obama if hillary is not the nominee, but recently i had a conversation with a close friend who supports obama and has always argued that we have to be dems first... he approved of my support for hillary because i always assured him that i'd vote for the dem in november... after the PA result and hillary's strong showing, now he's worried that she'll "somehow wrest" the nomination from obama and he's saying that he'll withhold his vote from hillary if she employs "any means necessary to win." he goes on to say that obama needs to be the nominee even if hillary is the stronger candidate in november, and if obama then loses and mccain becomes president, then "life will go on."

he was shocked when i suggested that by his reasoning i should withhold my vote from obama if he fights to thwart the MI and FL voting in order to "preserve" his victory...

i am starting to feel liberated from the necessity of voting for obama in the Fall if his supporters are going to be so irrational about Hillary. the clyburn and clay comments this week have further convinced me that the obama campaign is employing race to destroy both Clintons. the hypocrisy factor in the Obama campaign is off the charts... everyone should check out the chicago trib article on the hardball tactics that obama used to keep his dem primary opponents off the ballot when he first decided to run for state senate. obama's whole campaign has been a load of hype making the election about non-issues...

someone is going to have to convince me that Obama is worthy of becoming president based on something other than hype. i'm really starting to dislike so many things about him that it's getting harder and harder to consider voting for him.

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Submitted by tedraicer on

If I lived in a battleground state, I would force myself to vote for Obama. But I live in NYC. If Obama doesn't carry this state by a wide margin, he isn't going to to the White House anyway. So I have the luxury of not voting for someone I never liked, and who I now actively dislike, and I expect I will take advantage of that fact.

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Submitted by Shane-O on

...Katiebird. And Obama supporters must be asked the same thing.

A comparison of the two groups might give some insight into the electability standard. And if Obama supporters are more willing to vote for Clinton, that's information that Automatic, or Super, or Unpledged Delegates should take into account.

As well as if it is the reverse.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

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Submitted by basement angel on

I'm not voting for McCain but I also want to reject, in the only way I can, the race that Obama has run. I'm writing Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein and Berman to tell them i won't voting downticket either if Florida and Michigan aren't seated and counted.

If Dems are going to use race baiting in their primaries, and not count all the votes in order to get the candidate they want, then they are, to my mind, not much different than Republicans and I don't vote for Republicans.

My fear with obama is that he's going to get into office and turn into LBJ vis a vis the Iraq war. Well, LBJ without the tenacity, dedication, brains or the experience. I think that leaves the conniving and the unprincipled behavior - something Obama seems to have in spades to me. Anway, and in four years, Rick Santorum is going to be running for the presidency by promising a secret plan to win the war. And after four years of Iraq war deaths mounting, and Rezko and Wright and Michelle's big ugly mouth flapping, the country will be happy to settle for nice, homphobic lunatic from Pennsylvania who spends his time worrying about the prevalence of bestiality.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

when I became a Democrat. I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November, as well as downticket Democrats.

Obama at his worst will be better than four more years of Bush via McSame.

Real Democrats aren't afraid of democracy

48 + 2 = legitimacy

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Submitted by badger on

I don't subscribe to the idea that just because someone has 'Democrat' next to their name that they automatically get my vote (although, with 2 exceptions in 36 years, 'Republican' is an automatic disqualifier).

I haven't decided if I'd vote for Obama - he needs to earn my vote, and he hasn't, for many of the same reasons people have noted above.

I do believe McCain would be a terrible President (although life goes on and I'm not contemplating sepuku should he win). Obama would be better, but the real question is whether Obama would just be marginally incompetent or so incompetent as to deny Dems the WH for 4 or 5 election cycles. In the latter case, an Obama vote would be irresponsible IMO.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

and take a VERY close look at DEMS downticket.

However, I will NOT vote for a single republican.

Submitted by lambert on

1. I'll vote for Obama (see my sig).

2. I won't work for him, because I won't reward the misogyny or smearing the Clintons as racist. Both are way beyond the pale, even in a rough campaign. They're designed not merely to win, but the drive the targets from public life. That's wrong, and it's also just what the Republicans tried to do in the 90s.

3. So, energy and money go downticket and to policy, since if Obama is nominated, and wins, we'll have to push him from the left.

4. Obama has yet to ask for my vote, and at this point, I won't believe him if he pivots. The campaign used to be about hope and unity, but all that was bullshit to begin with, and is now almost forgotten. So, what's he running on again?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by unclekracker on

For the time being, my plan would be to write in another Democrat. I like the idea of not voting even less than writing in someone--and that isn't an ideal scenario either.

In the event that Senator Obama wins the nomination, he still has time to convince me that he has earned my vote. I'm just not sure if that is possible, though.

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Submitted by dws on

Disliking Obama does not in any way, shape, or form translate into a vote for McCain, who is so much worse that thinking about a McCain presidency makes my eyes bleed.

I'd vote for Obama and think of England.

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Submitted by amberglow on

for whoever the Dem nominee is! Seriously--it'll be lost forever if we don't get to replace the old/aging ones who aren't rightwing heateful freaks. (and it's gotten horrendous already)

or maybe it's already too late? ugh...

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Submitted by wiggles on

I'm in solidly blue territory. Whoever the Dem nominee is will win my electoral district by a good 80+%, so to write in Hillary if Obama's the nominee isn't a big risk anyway.
If Mr. Hopey gets the nomination for sexist dog whistles, bullying caucus-goers, and disenfranchising Michigan and Florida, there's no way I'm checking his name off on any ballot.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

That's my bottom line. Will I vote for Obama? I will do so if 1) voting for him helps prevent McCain from becoming president, it will be a vote against McCain, but the result will be the same, or 2) if he does something to earn my vote between now and November, then I will actively vote for him and not just against McCain, meaning he'll have my vote whether he needs it or not (given his interview on Fox this morning, I'm not holding my breath that he has any interest in earning a vote from me).

I'm not sure where I'll be living in November. If I'm in any kind of contested state, I'll be checking (D) by Obama. If not, then it will depend on whether he's done anything to try to win my vote.

I believe as a feminist that I cannot let the party take my vote for granted and that I have an obligation to let the democratic party know that there is a price to pay for sitting silent in the face of misogyny. I don't believe as a feminist I owe allegiance to any political party or am required to vote for Obama. However, McCain would be such a disaster across the board that, like I said, I will not do anything that could help him become president.

At the same time, I have no problem decreasing Obama's popular vote margin, particularly if it sends the message that Obama has a problem with democratic women and needs to spend the first term of his Administration trying to earn our support. It's quite clear the Blogger Boiz and MSM aren't going to hold Obama's feet to the fire on progressive or feminist issues. So I have no problem doing that with my vote, so long as it isn't needed to stop McCain. Stopping McCain is my number one priority.

As for my time and money, it's going to Emily's List and individual Democrats who might actually stand up for my rights or at least not promise to use Reagan as the basis for their capital gains tax policy or sing the praises of industry deregulation and charter schools (see Obama on Fox this morning).

Having said all of that, I think Obama loses to McCain in November. I will do my duty, as I said, to try to prevent that. But I think that's where we are.

Submitted by jawbone on

I couldn't live with myself if my vote lead to a McSame presidency.

But I hope it's Hillary--however, as someone wrote months ago, whoever wins, we will be disappointed.... The financials in the US are going to preclude many good things. I do think Hillary will be more progressive, but I also don't know what Obama really means to do or believes in.

I just want to hope a bit longer for universal healthcare.

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Submitted by Bluegrass Poet on

I see the statements that Clinton supporters will come home to vote for Obama and I want passionately to say no. You can't ignore me, call me names, make empty promises, and treat my candidate/surrogate with contempt and then expect me to give you the prize. That violates everything I've fought for in the way of equal rights for women. I wouldn't take that kind of shit from a partner or a boss.

And yet, I have no alternative. I really can't see myself voting for McCain who promises me 4 more years of Bush policy (a promise that violates the rule of holes).

Which leaves me with no leverage to get any concessions from Obama in return for my vote. And that's where I am caught in a bind that leaves me with a load of impotent anger. The media and the so-called progressive blogs have given away my vote for nothing.

So my possibly naive question is, what the hell can I do?

If Obama is the nominee, and I don't vote for him, I will be in essence voting for Bush.

If Obama is the nominee, and I vote for him, I will be enabling contemptuous treatment of women and electing a man who is giving away health care and social security and who admires Reagan/Bush foreign policy and who was only stopped from voting to confirm Roberts by a savvy staffer.

Somebody show me some way to make a decision I can live with.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

If you're name is anything to go by, you live in KY like me. We aren't going for Obama, so I would just vote against him. You're vote for him won't do any good, and if his popular vote totals are low, but he still wins, then that will show him that the entire party isn't behind him.

But, in 2000, there was an effort to get Nader voters in swing states to vote Gore, when Gore supporters would vote Nader in safe states. It didn't work, but maybe we could set up the same thing.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by Mandos on

But that was easy, as I'm not a You Ess citizen.

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Submitted by Bluegrass Poet on

You're probably right but it sure does piss me off. This was supposed to be the year when the Democrats triumphed.

At least I will, with luck, get to cast a meaningful primary vote. For once.

And I will, of course, vote the down-ticket races whatever I do about the big one.

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Submitted by amberglow on

i certainly have--over and over--granted, Obama is already worse than Kerry and Dukakis, but i certainly don't have a choice. (Mondale too, but he was my first presidential vote so i was all excited anyway then, and Gore ran a terrible terrible campaign also...)

All most of us can do is hope he's not the nominee, so we could have a chance to win. It's a sad situation.

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Submitted by amberglow on

but i voted for him anyway.

Stuff like this makes Obama worse than all of them tho--it's tragic and so damaging --

"...OBAMA: Well, I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea.

WALLACE: Such as.
Obama mentions deregulation of industry, charter schools, a new variation of merit pay. ..."

he has to stop this--it's worse than Lieberman. Why the f*ck is Obama even running as a Democrat if he believes this?

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

is that he lost. I'm sure he's a good, decent man.

So is George McGovern. But I want to nominate a winner.

Real Democrats aren't afraid of democracy

48 + 2 = legitimacy

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

That doesn't make them bad people or bad politicians.

We need candidates who can put together 270+ electoral votes.

Real Democrats aren't afraid of democracy

48 + 2 = legitimacy

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Submitted by amberglow on

which is something wholly separate from governing and doing things.

A bad politician severely insults voters he needs.

A bad politician is not prepared for the inevitable gotcha questions.

A bad politician thinks he can skate by like Republicans do without exposure of problems, faults, and questionable associates. ...

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Submitted by Davidson on

We're about to nominate Obama for crying out loud!* I may hate the Republican party, but God do I ever respect them for being disciplined, organized, and focused on the prize: pushing their ideology through. They don't merely want to win the White House; they want to win the political war. And they're not afraid to fight to the death for it.

Democratic voters deserve a hell of a lot better than the pathetic, sad "leadership" we have today. I can't tell if they're slow as hell or in cahoots with the GOP.

*After he runs up the score in NC, someone tell me how Clinton still has a chance? Please. I'm dying here trying to think of how she'll make up his huge popular vote count lead. WV? KY?

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Submitted by Amaliada on

Although I would much rather be voting for John Edwards. Tell me again, how did we get into this mess where we are choosing between these TWO candidates given the field we started with.

I have never voted for a Republican and don't see any reason why I should start now, just because my preferred candidate (or even my lesser of several evils) is no longer an option.

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Submitted by Nadai on

I'll write in Hillary and vote Dem for all the other races. I won't vote for Obama and hell will freeze over before I vote for a Republican.

It's within the realm of possibility that I'll change my mind about Obama, but it isn't likely. I'd have to see a major change in him first, and I don't think that's going to happen.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Over at TalkLeft there's a post about how Clinton, regardless of an NC win, actually has the popular vote lead.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by nihil obstet on

I'll vote Obama. If I were going to write someone in, it would be Edwards.

We need to get beyond this idea that if we could just get the right candidates, and elect the right person, we'd reach our goal. We have to keep pressuring beyond elections. But that doesn't mean that elections are inconsequential enough that we can concede them to the likes of McCain.

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Submitted by ClareA on

I can't afford another Republican administration and I don't believe the country can either.
I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. But I will no longer have any illusions about the "enlightened progressive blogs".

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Submitted by tnjen on

At the moment, I can't see myself voting for Obama (his race baiting and attacks on UHC crossed the line) so I'll write-in Hillary. Since my state (TN) is only in play if Clinton is the nominee, I won't feel bad about it. I'll vote dem down ticket but with Obama on the ticket it won't do much good because democratic turn-out will be low. Also, Obama like Gore (via Donna Brazile's brilliant advice) probably won't campaign here.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

but at this point, I'd be doing it solely in order to be able to say...

Don't blame me, I voted for Obama

when the President McCain clusterf*ck hits the fan...

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Submitted by jeqal on

You know,
What if the Supers just elect Joe Biden, It would get great media coverage and could create enough of a stir that all non democrats will stay in their homes until after all of the elections are over.

Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other,they'd be Republicans -- Will Rogers

Submitted by hipparchia on

like bringiton, i'd dearly love to see the Ds absolutely swamp the Rs in the popular vote.

i'm left of even dennis kucinich, so i see clinton and obama both as republican-lite, with clinton left of obama, but either one of them would be way better than mccain.

i live in a very red portion of a purple state and have voted for republicans before [and lived!] so i can vote in a contest between a bad republican [mccain] and a good republican [either of the other two] without flinching.

otoh, the democratic party has moved too far to the right, and has been there too long. why should i reward that with my vote? the voters don't deserve it, not even the far-right ones, but damn near everyone in the democratic party leadership deserves to have to live under eight years of mccain [mis-]rule. if there were a way to inflict mccain on them without inflicting him on the rest of the country [or on the rest of the world] i'd vote for mccain in heartbeat.

downticket, i'll vote for all the Ds that show up on the ballot, but this is florida, where [with some notable exceptions] even the democrats are republicans. and in my part of the state, the democratic party all too often has no candidates on the ballot, not even DINOs.

if the race in november seems to be close, i'll follow lambert's signature-line advice and vote for the D. if it looks like a rout and they're not going to need my vote, then i'll probably write in edwards.