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The 2010 UnUnited States of America?

Nervine5's picture

What country would you live in if you didn't move? (H/T to Bob Morris of Politics in the Zero's, http://polizeros.com/2008/12/30/the-unit...)

A former KBG agent,Igor Panarin, predicts the US will split into several pieces by 2010, mostly beholden to outside entities. Not likely. At least not like he predicts. Only an outsider with little apparent understanding of the US would say that Texas would willingly become part of Mexico, that the Carolinas would join New England rather than the other southern states, or that Utah would team up with California. Given such huge misunderstandings of the US, his scenario becomes bizarre and pointless.

He’s been predicting this for ten years. Russian state media has recently picked up on it. That their confederation of republics fell apart doesn’t mean the United States will. Could happen, I suppose, but more likely as loose confederations between groups of states, and not beholden to outside interests.

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Submitted by Sarah on

don't care if he is a Russian prof. He hasn't lived in any of the places he's cheerfully handing off to foreign powers. For one thing, he ignores history -- both immediately prior to and during the 'settlement' of the US and Canada at the hands of European 'explorers'.

you cannot integrate Georgians into Mexico. Damn near can't integrate 'em into their own neighborhoods, but for sure they won't take kindly to the notion of the siesta or to la lengua de espanol -- the habits of thought that they *might* revert to are English Country Gentry, liberally salted with xenophobia.

you cannot integrate NOLa and its environs into Mexico. You might integrate it into Rio, but not Mexico. It's not Cancun north or Acapulco east. Sorry, professor.

The Ozarks and Appalachians are not, contrary to the Russian prof's fantasy, separate, nor separable.

IF the thing fractures, the map will probably look very different. I would wager that the European Union would refuse Connecticut (and probably Jersey). It might well welcome, though, New York, the Carolinas, and Florida.

Like as not Alaska would glom onto Canada -- even without its current governor, the Russians are not the direction the Alaskans would choose. Hawaii was its own nation once, and likely could be again; but if it so chose it too could latch into the Canadian theme, since that string of islands (Aleutians) nearly connects it.

Would Texas subsume Oklahoma? Eh, some of it; the Panhandle, maybe. Parts of NM and CO as well, I don't doubt (check out a map of the original boundaries of the Republic sometime, circa 1836) and north as far as maybe Idaho. But not Arkansas, and not the rest of the deep South. And some of Oklahoma belongs with Arkansas/Missouri/Kansas.

Which reminds me -- Kansas, part of Canada? It is to laugh -- well, actually, it is to ROFLMAO. In Canada, they teach school in French, remember?

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Submitted by Salmo on

Wait, Wait! Why can't we in the northeast be part of Canada too? If we're going to get handed off, the Canadians seem like a much better sort to be ruled by than the EU's bureaucrats.

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Submitted by amberglow on

like Hanover had.

otherwise i'd say that the whole North would be Canadian -- from Maryland up, and from the Rust Belt/Ohio/Illinois/Michigan/Dakotas/Colorado/Oregon up all across the country.

then California (the south at least) and Texas and the Southwest would be Mexican--

but all the rest would be some redo of the Confederacy.

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Submitted by bringiton on

No, he did not; that was a Frenchman. If Igor, who was then actually in the KGB, couldn't see his own country's imminent demise, what makes him believable about anything else?

Sergei Rogov, director of the Russian government-operated Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, is a doubter:

"Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people."

Exactly. Serious people discussing serious ideas are what has made the world the wonderful place it is today.

Oh, and: Happy New Year to all, and may god bless us, every one.

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Submitted by caseyOR on

would agree to become part of California. We barely tolerate Californians driving through on I-5 on their way to British Columbia.

This Russian knows nothing about the various sub-cultures of the USA.

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Submitted by Damon on

It seems he's part of Russia's Village circuit, now:

In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

Who would his clueless American Village counterpart be?

Really, he has no idea. What's offensive is that he's considering and "expert on U.S.-Russia relations." Yes, Russia has a Village, too.